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A conversation with Doreen Virtue
Doreen Virtue, PhD is a metaphysician and clairvoyant who works with the angelic, elemental and ascended master realms. She is the author of many bestselling books and has appeared on numerous television programmes.
MICHAEL: How would you define your faith?
DOREEN: I don't know that I can define it, since it's more feeling than intellectually based. I could compare it to a blend of Hinduism, Christian Science, and Course in Miracles.
MICHAEL: How do you begin and end your day?
DOREEN: My husband and I meditate and pray each morning together. At night, I have a ritual of surrounding the entire earth with white protective light.
MICHAEL: What is the single most important piece of advice you would give to anyone just starting out on their spiritual journey?
DOREEN: Have patience with yourself and the process. Wherever you are at, spiritually, is perfect for you and is in Divine order.
MICHAEL: How did you first start your spiritual journey?
DOREEN: I was raised by two metaphysician parents, my mother being a professional Christian Science practitioner. I am a fourth-generation metaphysician. My parents taught me affirmation, spiritual healing, and visualization methods, as I was learning my colours and numbers as a child. I had many mystical experiences growing up and witnessed lots of miracles. So I don't know any different. The only change is that, today, I can speak about such occurrences openly. As a child, I was teased for having "weird" beliefs and a "weird" family.
MICHAEL: There seems to be a lot of unrest going on right now in the world. What is your take on current world events?
DOREEN: There's also a lot of beauty in the world right now. One of my passions is studying history, particularly the history of spirituality and religion. Compared to past cultures, we're more peaceful, evolved, and forgiving than ever. There are so many expressions of love to see every day. I choose to focus on that love and beauty, because I sincerely believe whatever you focus upon is what grows. I only want love and beauty to grow.
MICHAEL: On a positive note, there seems to be an emerging interest in spirituality all over the planet right now, more than ever. Can you talk about this? Is this what some people are calling the New Age?
DOREEN: We're becoming more independent thinkers, each deciding for our own selves what spirituality means. More of us are now "gourmets" with religion and spirituality, taking a little from this and a little from that. Please hold the guilt, and I'll take two helpings of love and forgiveness please. So instead of following formal religious rules and conventions, more of us are having personalized relationships with the Divine. I'm finding that this has increased the joy and happiness for many people. I wouldn't want to label this phenomena New Age, as I believe it's a cycle that humans have experienced before in the earth's history.
MICHAEL: It was your pioneering work that got me interested in more "out there" spiritual topics such as working with the angels, clairvoyance etc. Like you, I am very scientific and grounded. So what made you believe?
DOREEN: It's ironic that I was raised with complete faith in miracles, but then went through a period of rebellion in my early adulthood where I questioned my spiritual upbringing. Most people that I know who were raised in traditional religions rebelled by getting into alternative spirituality areas. I rebelled by becoming left-brained and scientific!
My turn-around came on July 15, 1995 when my life was saved by a disembodied male voice (Archangel Michael) who instructed me during an armed car-jacking. That situation was completely unexplainable by science. Being someone who loves doing research, I began interviewing other people who'd had brushes with death and who were saved by the divine. Each person's story helped me to understand that angel experiences were quite normal. It's just that everyone was afraid to openly admit having them, for fear of seeming crazy. So I offered to begin discussing the topic openly in public with my workshops. That's still what I do to this day.
MICHAEL: Have you got a favourite book or author?
DOREEN: Several! My favourite is the Urtext version of A Course in Miracles (the original unedited version of the book). So my favourite author is Jesus, the author of the Course, followed by Emmet Fox, Florence Scovil Shinn, Dolores Cannon, Norman Vincent Peale, and anyone who writes from a very positive viewpoint.
MICHAEL: In your wonderful book, Goddesses and Angels, and your card deck Saints and Angels, you talk about various saints of the Catholic tradition. What inspired you to write about them?
DOREEN: I've always thought that Catholicism and every other religion, have very positive gifts to offer us. That's my "gourmet" style of spirituality. I've always loved and admired the saints and emphasis upon archangels and miracles that the Catholic church offers. My first encounters with saints occurred as I was doing angel readings and meditations in the early 1990's. Saint Therese (the Little Flower) was the first saint I encountered. I heard her name and felt her presence during a meditation. I had no idea who she was, not being Catholic. So I telephoned a very friendly priest who was very open-minded and helped me to understand why she would come to me. Then during my angel readings, I'd encounter other saints. During my European travels, I began visiting Catholic churches and communing with other saints. My most profound experience was at Lourdes, which I write about in my book, Goddesses & Angels.
MICHAEL: What are the benefits of prayer and meditation? Have you got any suggestions as to how to meditate?
DOREEN: I think they're both essential to having peace-of-mind and clarity of thought. There's no one right way to pray or meditate. What's important is that we do so. Because we have free will, the Divine can't help us without our permission (with the exception of a life-endangering situation before it's our time to go). So we must ask for help (pray) in order to receive it. I pray every day for what I desire, and all throughout the day, I ask for help. The angels have taught me that it's not enough to just say, "Help me with everything today." They need our specific permission in every situation.
As far as meditation, it's enough to simply close your eyes and deeply breathe for a few moments. There's no need to inflict rules and regulations on praying and meditating.
MICHAEL: What form of exercise do you do and recommend?
DOREEN: We're each guided individually as to the care of our physical bodies. I personally was guided many years ago to eat only organic, vegan food and to exercise daily. That really works for me, but everyone's physical makeup is different. What's important is to follow the guidance that you're receiving. If you have strong feelings to exercise more or differently, or to change your diet, you'll really be happy once you follow that guidance! The angels aren't trying to control us with this guidance. They're just answering our prayers for better health, peace, abundance, increased psychic abilities, etc. The faster that we follow the guidance, the faster our prayers are answered.
MICHAEL: Do you ever feel "down"? If so, what tools do you use to get yourself "back-on-track" as quickly as possible?
DOREEN: I have moments when I don't feel as happy as I'd like to. That's when I call upon Archangel Jophiel, who helps us to beautify our thoughts and thereby uplift our moods. I also have written discussions with angels if I ever feel upset. This is the easiest way for me to really understand the truth and heart of the matters. Once I understand what's going on within myself, my energies and moods lift upward again.
MICHAEL: Finally, have you got a message from the angels for the readers of this interview?
DOREEN: Have hope in a better today and tomorrow. Remember that at sunset when the world seems to be getting colder and darker, that's when the sun's beams are the most visible and colourful. We are with you right now as you read these words. As you breathe, feel our loving presence next to you. We're always ready to help you in any way, just by your asking. You are deeply loved and very appreciated. We see your beauty, talent, and grace. You bring many blessings to this planet just by virtue of being alive. We need you, Earth Angel!
MICHAEL: Thank you Doreen and best wishes!
DOREEN: And thank you!!
For more information about Doreen Virtueís work and tour schedule see angeltherapy.com. Edited version first published January 2006.
GODDESSES & ANGELS: A further conversation with Doreen Virtue
MICHAEL: Doreen, what do you think of Ernest Holmes' teachings (author of Science of Mind/Religious Science) and how do they fit in with your beliefs?
DOREEN: I love the teachings of Ernest Holmes, especially the Anniversary Edition of the Science of Mind book, which includes Holmes' writings about life-after-death. Religious Science had a huge impact upon life, beginning with my birth. Let me explain: my parents had been married seven years and were having difficulty conceiving a child. So they asked their Religious Science Church prayer committee to pray for them. I was conceived three weeks later! So is it any wonder that I'm grateful to Ernest Holmes and Religious Science?
In particular, I love Holmes' writing about spiritual mind treatments for health, prosperity, and peace-of-mind. I've also read a lot of Phineas Quimby's work. Quimby was the originator of New Thought thinking, and his teachings influenced Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science), Ernest Holmes, the Fillmores (Unity) and Nona Brooks (Divine Science). Quimby studied Jesus's words about healing, and discovered their scientific basis.
MICHAEL: Do you think we create our personal reality with our thinking?
DOREEN: Absolutely yes. Although instead of the word, "create," I'd substitute the word, "attract." That's why when we're in love, on a holiday, or in a good mood, the whole world seems brighter. Our positive outlook attracts positive people and situations to us. The key is to be super-aware of your every thought and not allow for infestations of negativity. This is where the angels come in: if you ask them, they'll uplift moods and thinking.
MICHAEL: What is your definition of God?
DOREEN: God is love, wisdom, creativity, and light. God is everywhere, including within ourselves and every person and situation. God loves us, supports us, and sees only the good within us.
MICHAEL: Who are your favourite spiritual teachers or inspirational people- and who are your favourite esoteric authors or books?
DOREEN: There are so many! I was deeply influenced by Viktor Frankl's, "Man's Search for Meaning," which drives home the point that you ultimately choose happiness, no matter what the circumstances around you are. "A Course in Miracles," which I've read many times has really helped me to be positive. Norman Vincent Peale's book, "Positive Imaging" helped me a great deal, early in my career. I also love Florence Scovel Shinn, the author of "The Game of Life." Dolores Cannon is one of my favourite living author (she wrote, "Jesus and the Essenes" and "Keepers of the Garden"). I'd credit John Randolph Price for helping me most with manifestation and abundance, particularly his "Abundance Book."
MICHAEL. How will you be celebrating Christmas?
DOREEN: My favourite holidays are spent at home. I travel so much for work, that I truly appreciate being in my own home when I can. This Christmas, I'll be with my husband (Steven Farmer, author of "Power Animals" and "Sacred Ceremony"), my son Grant, my son Chase, and Grant's girlfriend, Donna. My parents will travel to our home to join us on December 29 to spend a few days for a second Christmas celebration with us.
Most of my family is New Age in their thinking, so we enjoy talking about spirituality together. We'll eat a vegan dinner, since most of us in the family don't eat meat or dairy products. The soy-based meat substitutes are delicious these days! Other than that, the Christmas will be fairly traditional.
MICHAEL: What do you think about Christmas and how it has become- commercial and non-spiritual?
DOREEN: I used to resent Christmas for its commercialism, but I now believe that resentment is futile and unhealthy. We each have a choice to make Christmas whatever we like. If we don't enjoy the Christmas marketing, we have the choice to turn off the television and radio and avoid the shopping malls. Christmas marks the traditional time of year (that in ancient Celtic times we called, "Yule") where we all retreat with our loved ones and hibernate. I see Christmas as a time to rest and refuel.
MICHAEL: How do you start your day?
DOREEN: My husband reads a passage from a spiritual book aloud, so that we're reading the book together. Right now we're reading, "Ask and It Is Given" by Abraham-Hicks. Then, we hold hands and pray out loud together, one at a time. We use affirmative prayers, meaning that we thank God ahead of time for whatever we're asking for. We've had so many of our prayers answered, that our faith is very strong. I exercise daily (cardio and light weights).
MICHAEL: What are the benefits of meditation and any tips on how to discipline myself to do it?
DOREEN: For those who have chaotic home or work lives, meditation is absolutely essential. You can go into the W.C. at work, close the door, close your eyes, and take a few deep breaths. That will re-centre you, so that your thoughts and actions are calm and love-based. Any time you find yourself stressed, call upon the Archangel Jophiel (the Archangel of Beauty) and say, "Jophiel, please help me to have beautiful thoughts!" and it is done.
You don't need to struggle to meditate; in fact, that would be counter-productive. ďA Course in MiraclesĒ emphasizes that it's not so much the quantity of time you spend meditating, but the quality of the meditation. In other words, one minute of deep stillness is more helpful than a half-hour of restless "trying" to meditate.
MICHAEL: Why does New Thought movement attract mostly women? How can you get more men involved? You can't heal the planet without 50% of the population!
DOREEN: My theory is that men who are the bread-winners are afraid of facing the fact that they're dissatisfied with their careers. If they truly opened their hearts and psychic abilities, they'd start taking an inventory of their life. This would make them want to quit their jobs, something they're unprepared to do much of the time. Women can help this situation by being supportive if their husband wants to make a career transition.
MICHAEL: What do you do if your spouse/partner/friends do not believe in spirituality and have a very negative worldview and they are "pulling you off track"?
DOREEN: I wrote about this topic in my book, "Healing with the Fairies." It's not easy being in a spiritually unbalanced relationship. I personally feel that it's best to surround yourself with like-minded people. Everyone that I spend time with is spiritually-minded. All of my friends walk their talk, meaning that they meditate and pray, are following their Divine guidance, are sober, kind, and doing charitable work in the world.
If you don't have like-minded people in your life, then pray and affirm that you do! This will attract them into your life. Spend time in spiritually based surroundings to meet new friends, such as at New Thought churches, spiritual workshops, yoga studios, and metaphysical book stores.
The non-spiritually minded people will either fall away out of your life, or will be inspired to lift themselves up and become more filled with light and love.
The key with relationships (and any manifestation for that matter) is to focus upon what you desire, instead of what you seem to lack.
MICHAEL: What is your opinion on the state of the world today?
DOREEN: Like most people, I'd prefer to have different leaders in office and to end the wars. However, I feel that we're moving in the right direction globally, and that as more of us become conscious and aware, we'll have more people making their opinions known. I'm glad to see the public apathy has ended.
The new Indigo Children (those born between 1975 and 1995) are here on earth to usher out corruption and usher in cooperation. Many Indigos are mislabeled as having ADHD. We need to ensure that these children aren't drugged on Ritalin, just because they have a warrior and activist spirit that doesn't conform. The Indigos have come to earth to rescue us, and we can't afford to put them into chemical straight-jackets.
MICHAEL: I first saw you when you talked at St James Church in Central London- You seem very confident and charismatic. Were you always like that or have you become this way through your faith?
DOREEN: You're very kind! The truth is that when I'm speaking, I'm not even thinking about myself or how I come across to others. I'm totally focusing upon giving of service, AND I'm extremely passionate about my topic.
MICHAEL: How have you found the UK? Do UK audiences differ from the US?
DOREEN: Whenever my airplane lands at Heathrow or Gatwick, I have the feeling of coming home. I remember living many lifetimes in England, and I feel extra-happy whenever I'm in your country. To me, England is such a magical land! I've heard other speakers complain about UK audiences, but I've always found UK people to be very warm, open-hearted, genuine, and loving. Perhaps because I love England and her people so much, that love is mutual. I'm manifesting a second home in Glastonbury.
MICHAEL: Have you got a final (Christmas) message for our readers?
DOREEN: The angels say, "This is a season of transitions. Allow yourself some quiet time to reflect on the year that has just passed. Feel the triumph of the high points of your year, and come to an understanding of the lessons and blessings hidden within the seeming low points. Then, write yourself a note that says, "I am the triumph of spirit incarnate. I am a bright and shining Christmas light that attunes others to the love and blessings of the season." Read this note often to remind yourself that the best gift of all, is giving to others. Share your inner light with others as a gift to them, a gift to yourself, and as a gift to the world."
MICHAEL: Thank you for sharing with me Doreen
DOREEN: Thank YOU!!
Edited version first published December 2004.
THE MIRACLES OF ARCHANGEL MICHAEL: A further conversation with Doreen Virtue
MICHAEL: Firstly I want to say I loved your new book, The Miracles of Archangel Michael. It was so inspiring and uplifting. After reading it I had a lot of synchronicities happen to do with Michael. My question is: What inspired you to write this book at this time?
DOREEN: Thank you for your comments about the book. One of my prayers in writing this book is that people, while theyíre reading it, will have what you experienced and will get to know this amazing being on a personal level - and really show that heís across the board no matter what spiritual path or even non-spiritual path someoneís on; heís there to help all of us. I think that some people think he belongs to certain religions, or they think they donít deserve his help, or they just donít know about angels - and so thereís a lot of folks who arenít reaping the benefit of working side-by-side with Michael. And so the reason I wrote it is right now is Iím concerned about the amount of fear thatís being talked about in the media and just the general people, about the economy and world situations, and to me the complete solution is working with Michael.
MICHAEL: Is there anything we canít ask Archangel Michael to do because it seems like heís there for everything?
DOREEN: I believe that Michael watches over every aspect of Earth life. I think heís been here since the beginning and I think heís the angel of Earth. And so heís witnessed the human evolution- or de-evolution depending on your perspective- and so he knows what weíre about, almost like a parent knows their child. He really is the Creatorís right-hand man. So in answer to your question 'is there anything he canít do?'; there are better angels for some of the softer, more nurturing requests we may have- because he can be heavy-handed. Heís that fiery real male energy- and so, for instance, if you wanted to have a good nightís sleep while being cleared, I would rather work with Archangel Raphael, whoís more androgynous and is a real softer, gentler energy for working with night-time healings. And Archangel Chamuel for finding anything youíre looking for. So they all have specialties, but Michael crosses over into so many areas that he really would be a kind of one-purpose type of angel; I mean if you are going to call anyone I would call him.
One of the things I wrote about in this book that I really got out of writing it, was that I really admired the people in the stories in the book who had the reflex and the presence of mind to call on Michael when they were in a crisis. You know, they were in the middle of almost being killed in a car accident and they call out ĎMichaelí. I would hope that, God forbid, if I was in that situation I would have the presence of mind to call on Michael
MICHAEL: I enjoyed the fact that you put in examples explaining personal situations from everybody. How do you/does one know and decipher that itís Archangel Michael assisting them and not someone else?
DOREEN: Well I mean thereís probably no definitive way until we get more technology- which I have been told, from the angels, is coming; where weíll be able to do whatís the equivalent of kind of an X-ray of energy so you can see who youíre talking to.
But right now we can only go with what I described in the book - and thatís the tell-tale characteristics of a Michael experience: a feeling of great warmth, great strength. Heís very to-the-point- just the essence of strong energy. And a lot of the other angels just donít have that raw strength that he has. So even when working with Jesus or one of the other Ascended Masters you just donít get that Ďoomphí feeling like you do with Michael because he truly is a warrior of peace, and so you get that peaceful, intense warrior feeling with him. And most people I talk to say that they break out into like a perspiration, like being in the full noon sun; real hot.
MICHAEL: I wonder with all the different archangels that are available to us and even for people that arenít aware of the angels necessarily why do you think that Archangel Michael is the most popular or familiar to everyone?
DOREEN: That is a really good question. Just off the cuff- because Raphael to me is also very familiar and close to a lot of us- but Michael, I do think the Catholic church really promoted him quite well. So whatever feelings anyone has about the church, they have created a big awareness of him and there are churches dedicated to him everywhere. I do believe also that many people have had personal experiences with him and one of the hopes I have with this book is that it will get us all openly admitting it and talking about it- especially those who might be outside of traditional religion and say Ďyou know this is what happened to meí. I think I have been working with Michael since I was a little girl and I can only deduce that I, like a lot of us lightworkers, knew him between lives or past lives and then created kind of a contract with him that we would come in and work real closely with him.
MICHAEL: I noticed in the book that thereís always the request that you ask Michael to help you. Does Archangel Michael help people without the request being made?
DOREEN: I love that question. There are a number of stories that I receive weekly- and you have to imagine that my office between just Angel Therapy and then I work for Womanís World magazine where I write a weekly angel column which in itself is a whole other story to write a mainstream magazine weekly and angel channelling column. We get thousands of stories a week and I get the privilege of reading many of them and so thereís a number of stories of people getting intervention without specifically asking or praying. The only pattern I can find in that is that the angels will intervene without permission if your life is going to be taken- if youíre going to die before itís your time to go. And that happened to me in my 1995 carjacking, and I do believe it was Michael who saved me. I had prayed for protection but I hadnít prayed for the warning that I got ahead of time. What happened, of course, just to review: I was getting ready to go to a spiritual place in Anaheim and I heard a voice that I believe was Michael tell me that Iíd better put the top up on my convertible car or it would be stolen, and he repeated the warning three times. You see I hadnít asked for help and yet he was offering help. And the carjacking when it occurred an hour later - the two men had weapons - so I believe that they saved my life because it wasnít my time to go. But I think that if youíre going to have an experience where itís not life endangering, you have to ask, I think then itís free will. And itís very fine point at that level, which I donít claim to fully understand, but what I asked Archangel Raphael once - and he had a beautiful explanation thatís in Messages from your Angels - is that about free will vs Godís will- is that itís all the same ultimately because your Higher Selfís will is the same as Godís will and itís the ego will that we sometimes define as free will. But thatís not technically free will, thatís Ďfear willí.
MICHAEL: How do you know if its guidance from your angels or guidance from your imagination?
DOREEN: The lower self of course is in lack mentality so it feels like it has to kind of sneak around or compete to get its needs met where the Higher Self knows absolute abundance so thereís no fear involved, not in such a rush, and its a lot more relaxed feeling to it.
Even in an emergency- I mean when I was getting the warning and all these people Iíve talked to were getting warnings, the angels donít promote fear. Even in a life-threatening situation they just simply give you very blunt instructions of what to do to get out of it, for example ĎChange lanes right nowí.
MICHAEL: What would you say in your opinion would be the most profound message given to the world by Michael?
DOREEN: To me, Michael is about that fear is a choice and that we donít have to succumb to feeling the fear of the future, the fear about the world, the fear about our personal lives. For years Iíve been working with people to kind of combat what I call the Ďbag lady syndromeí (and thereís also a counterpart Ďbag man syndromeí) where what it is people are afraid that theyíre going to be destitute in the future, and theyíre imagining themselves kind of begging and living impoverished lives and itís really disempowering. Michael is here to help us all to rise above that and then experience above that. Thereís no need for fear. I love working with him because I truly find that by being in that space of feeling peaceful and protected, then you attract that experience. And it really goes back to the most important book I ever read which is Manís Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl in which Viktor talked about his experience in Auschwitz, which of course was horrifying and he lost everything, but what he found in that experience was that the one thing no one could take away from him was his right to be happy. And he found ways of being happy- in probably the most hellish experience that has happened in recent history- through his choices. And to me thatís what Michael is all about- that no matter whatís going on around us we truly can feel safe, protected and peaceful. And by feeling that we heal our lives in many, many ways and I think we also then lift up those around us. Michael also can protect our loved ones and I think itís very important for all of us who feel the kinship with Michaelís energy to be asking him to be with our loved ones. He of course wonít interfere with anyoneís free will, but his presence is like having a moat around that child or whoever you are praying for.
MICHAEL: A lot of Michael and Archangel Michael has come from the Christian and the Catholic religion. Now what I hear from different people of different religions is that they feel that Archangel Michael does not have free will. We have free will- but he needs to report to God or a higher power before he can be sent.
DOREEN: Thatís true. Yes, thatís because heís ego-less. All the angels are ego-less. So his will would be exactly Godís will. Thatís true. He doesnít have an independent ego personality- heís a complete reflection of the divine wisdom and the divine love. Our Higher Selves are also ego-less.
MICHAEL: So is the difference there that we have free will and he doesnít?
DOREEN: Itís free will in the illusion of separation on Earth. Itís free will in the dream. Itís like we have the right to dream whatever we want- itís like that. Thatís where we get into the real esoterics, isnít it?!
MICHAEL: I noticed in the book that a lot of times you made reference to people who would invite Michael to live in their home- I think one person actually made an invitation and put it in her sonís room or hung pictures of Michael in the home. How important is this to attracting him into our lives?
DOREEN: Michael does not require anything beyond a real simple invitation. What the pictures of Michael do is, itís more for us to remind us to ask him. And even then, we all know that if we have a picture hanging up in the same place after a while it becomes invisible so I would mix them up, I would change the location of them. All he needs is us to think it, say it, scream it, write it- just think his name and heís there Ďboom!í
MICHAEL: So we donít even have to do it verbally?
DOREEN: No- gosh no. Just thinking it works. Or picturing him even.
MICHAEL: Thereís lots of books coming out now about 2012 and thereís a lot of fear in some of those about pole shifts and increased contrast on Earth. I wondered what Archangel Michael had to say about this and what his role in ushering in the new energies. I mean is he involved with that and does he work with Jesus in that. So kind of two questions involving Jesusí connection and the New Age coming in.
DOREEN: A lot of people say that Michael and Jesus are the same being. I actually see them as two different energies because when Iím working with people I can see Jesus and then I can see Michael as two separate personalities but they work really closely together. Jesusí energy is somewhat intense but nothing like Michaelís. Working with Michael is like working with the direct noon sunshine and heís just on fire and he gets the job done and its one hundred percent positive. And heís absolutely involved in the shift thatís going on. From everything that theyíve told me- and I get information while Iím sleeping, while Iím meditating and Iím a divemaster- a scuba dive master in the ocean- about six hours a week Iím underwater and I get real clear connections under there and I keep checking in and everything they show me is change can feel threatening to people, change can feel like youíre losing things that are valuable to you but that this is a necessary and positive change weíre going through and it involves letting go of the old which can be discombobulating- letting go of the old guard of the fear-mongering politics, the old way of schooling children, the old legal systems. All those old systems just are not keeping up with the new way that humans are operating. And so as we let go of the old- we could just acknowledge that these are all dinosaur systems and harmoniously and smoothly transition into new ways. I think that a lot of people- mainstream people- arenít acknowledging that these old systems arenít working so itís more going to be that they just fall and are replaced with something new and during that interim time thereís going to be some reorganisation and confusion. And people will think itís the equivalent of Armageddon and such, but it really isnít itís just Ďout with the old and in with the newí and Michael is here to oversee that, to keep us peaceful, to protect us, to ensure our basic needs of food and shelter etc are met and we just have to be working with him really closely, be really honest with him- everything basic like ĎMichael, Iím afraid I donít have enough money for this billí. Tell him all your needs: ĎMichael I feel like I need this and I need thisí. Whatever it is that you need to be peaceful, heís there for you and he doesnít distinguish whether itís a so-called trivial question or request, or a big request- to him anything that has to do with peace is equally important.
MICHAEL: I wonder if youíve brought this information to people in Catholic or Christian churches- to the clergy or any people in positions of power in the churches and what has the response been?
DOREEN: Itís mixed. Iíve been really pleased but when I first started this work I asked for protection from the angels in order for me to agree to do this work and so theyíve been really wonderful at protecting me against- or away from zealots. I have a programme called Angel Therapy Practitioner programme where people who practice Angel therapy and thereís at least two Catholic priests who are doing it undercover. So itís more at the priest level - and a few nuns have gone through my programme. From the love-based Christians and the love-based Catholics- they love my work! The oneís who are more focused on the fear and the guilt aspects- who in my opinion misunderstand Jesusí message- they tend to be afraid of anything- theyíre afraid of their own shadows, right?- and so they get a little afraid of talking to anyone but God. Actually one woman came to my workshop, and she was raised Catholic, and she told me that she never knew she could talk to Jesus directly- which I thought was disturbing. And so I had her talk to Jesus directly and she had a wonderful connection. To me, you have your own experience and then you make up your own mind about your faith and what youíve been taught, right? So Iím hoping that with all my workshops and with this book in particular that people will have a Michael experience and then make up their own mind. And if theyíve been taught other than that then it may cause some confusion for them.
MICHAEL: Because the stories of Michael and the information that we have about Michael does come from the Catholic and Christian church and I didnít know if they are open to this type of information as well or do they just see Michael as a story?
DOREEN: Oh, I think they see him as very real, the number of Catholics that Iíve interacted with. My sample may be skewed, my sample may be Catholics who read Hay House books so that might be not the most scientifically valid study, but the Catholics that Iíve met who are practicing Catholics, they call Michael every day and they have prayers of Michael they use. The Christians- the non-Catholic Christians- tend to see Michael as someone who was valid two thousand years ago, that he was real at the time of Jesus and he was there when the Bible was written but not now. And thatís part of my message, that he and the other angels of the Bible are still very much alive and well and with us and want to work with us now.
MICHAEL: Do you feel then that some of this misunderstanding may have to do with misinterpretation of the sword or the symbol of the sword?
DOREEN: Could be. I mean a lot of the little cards that they pass out in the Catholic domains show Michael stabbing this very frightening beast thatís supposed to be the devil and itís symbolic, isnít it, of him conquering fear or the ego. But if you believe in a literal devil then you necessarily feel afraid of the literal devil being here, and now and thereís some people who have this belief that an angel could trick you and itís really the devil. And some of itís from John Miltonís Paradise Lost which I have to again and again tell people Ďthatís not the Bible- thatís a novelí. I think that the best thing we can all do is just to be happy and peaceful and through the Law of Attraction other people will say Ďwhat are you doing to be so happy and peaceful?í and then we could tell them. And so I think that promoting peace and happiness through example is the most important thing. And so when someone comes to me and theyíre afraid, I try not to get too much in a sparring match with them; I can ĎBible thumpí with them because Iíve read the Bible many times- but I donít think it does anything because no oneís going to change anyoneís mind- but experience will.
The Miracles of Archangel Michael is available now from most good bookstores. First published November 2008.